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 Subject:  Re: The Original Kitten Kong episode.
18/09/2018 15:11 GMT

I have found ABC played runs of three or four B&W episodes in 1979 and 1980. They potentially had a pool of five to draw upon;

Caught in the Act 1.4
The Greenies 1.5 *
Commonwealth Games 2.2 *
Kitten Kong 2.7
Come Dancing 2.8 *

The ones I have starred are spelled out in published plot descriptions from the time. The fourth played episode is thus either Kitten Kong or Caught in the Act.

Frustratingly, each of the magazines or newspapers I am following fail to describe the last B&W. Matthew K Sharp believed Caught in the Act had only been played in the early 1970s, but conversely, wasn't sure whether Kitten Kong had been sold to Australia rather than just Montreux '72.  Disappointingly, Jon has given me a memo in the last week indicating ABC did choose Montreux '72 over Kitten Kong.

I have gone back and forth over the relevant dates in 1979 and 1980 and am now getting some help from interstate sources.


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 Subject:  Re: The Original Kitten Kong episode.
04/09/2018 04:27 GMT
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No Kitten Kong yet, another date.

Tower of London followed by an advert for Four Corners, a weekly Australian current affairs show, based on and infrequently a re-titled episode of Panorama.

Advertised (clipping from 6 September 1993 Sydney Morning Herald) edition on Christabel and Dee, which any Australian who lived through this period could tell you does not describe anything fairy tale or farm yard, rather two incoming Greens senators. Then Senate leader Gareth Evans described their propensity for blocking bills instead of taking his bribe and doing a deal with them responding "... they looked at me as if I was a green Martian from the planet Mars."

In any case, this episode was bumped after the programme advice was printed for a piece on Lawrence van der Plaat, a guy who wrote a book on a failed businessman named Christopher Skase who chose to flee to Majorca when his company Quintex went into receivership.

The Skase Informer aired on 6 September 1993, thus my copy of Tower of London was the episode played that day.


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 Subject:  Re: The Original Kitten Kong episode.
31/08/2018 03:50 GMT
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An insight into the work.

I have written up the easiest to access Goodies Australian broadcasts to 1983. Last night I listened to my audio tapes from this era, finding I have snatches of Goodies going back to 1979 and thus in theory could have recorded the lost Kitten Kong.

One clip of an unusual version of the Doctor Who theme (nicknamed "Delaware") dated to either 13 June 1979 or 1 June 1983. My friend Jon and I have done the listings for Doctor Who in Australia, Carnival of Monsters episode two played on those dates.

http://gallifreybase.com/w/index.php/Airdates_in_Australia_(1976-1982)

An advertisement for Patrol Boat following the music suggests the latter date, as the published listings show an episode of that show on Thursday 2 June 1983. Immediately before this music is Tim Brooke-Taylor saying "For one thing, and one thing only -- a lot of money". Looking at Brett's write up of Tim's speeches gives the episode as Winter Olympics.

http://www.goodiesruleok.com/articles.php?id=107&page=18

Initially quite exciting as I thought of Commonwealth Games, a black and white which I have repeating until 1980, however it's plain a old colour episode. But verification is very quickly given as I check my notes and find I have Winter Olympics repeating ... on 1 June 1983. I may have recorded the dialogue as a test in preparation for the unusual Dr Who theme.

Audio recordings off television were common in this pre-VCR era, I have found the first series theme from an unidentified episode and Run (possibly from Hunting Pink) and recall recording Change from Pollution and Taking You Back from Camelot. The missing Kitten Kong was video recorded and was probably audio recorded too, it's just a matter if they still exist and finding them.


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 Subject:  Re: The Original Kitten Kong episode.
21/08/2018 08:13 GMT
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NubglummerySnr and I have been working on this together. The evidence is good, but not comprehensive enough. Yet.

What I have so far is ABC played B&W episodes in 1979 and 1980. Of the three in 1980 they name two as Commonwealth Games and Come Dancing. The third one is stubbornly refusing identification. It could be The Greenies. It could be Kitten Kong.

On to the point. We could say it's a shame it wasn't recovered when Seven got the other three B&W prints in 1986. But as NubglummerySnr says, he taped it on Betacord. I myself audio recorded as much incidental music as I could, some of which I still have. Audio taping TV was a big deal in those days, every single Dr Who was audio recorded multiple times. And it was common, I myself found another set of Dr Who audios when I was researching Deadly Earnest.

So. Surprise us, people. Check your shed, you may have a Kitten Kong there.

Clipping is the first screening of Kitten Kong from Australia Day 1974, NSW.


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Last modified: 21/08/2018 13:45 GMT by MartinAgain
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 Subject:  Re: The Original Kitten Kong episode.
15/08/2018 12:28 GMT

You're being a bit pedantic about a lot of this. The important thing is the ABC did show the original in black and white followed a few weeks later by the remade colour version. The reason I mention they showed them uncut was because this was the first time they'd actually shown the rude bits, and I had  watched the show every time it was broadcast on the ABC from the first time to the last. If there were some edited shows included then that's beside the point. I know that these were shown after the timeslot was changed from 6pm to 6:25pm. Whether it was entirely uncut is irrelevant. It was the final time the shows were run on the ABC though and they did broadcast the series from beginning to end. I didn't say that included the specials, because obviously it didn't due to them having a longer running time. Even using your info which you say puts it all at the 1980 run, which is possible seeing as you recall a black and white episode in there, I still did see both versions of Kitten Kong within a few weeks of each other.


(I recorded the original Kitten Kong onto Beta video tape from a rare TV broadcast of it in 1979, but then I wiped it. NOBODY TOLD ME!!!!!)
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 Subject:  Re: The Original Kitten Kong episode.
15/08/2018 07:58 GMT

I've put some effort into answering this over the past three days. And I've been rewarded with some hard data, albeit not a listing for Kitten Kong. To make sure I'm looking in the right place, you saw it in Sydney and the listings were either in the Sydney Morning Herald weekly guide (Mondays) or one of the weekly listings magazines?

I want to be clear what I'm agreeing and disagreeing with. I agree you saw Kitten Kong. I agree you watched more explicit content in 1981. But I disagree you saw a run of every episode, as there never has been a complete run even on ABC, the most Goodies friendly channel. And with Kitten Kong missing, there never will be.

On to the question of censorship. You really did see all that stuff you cite because ... that's not what they censored. There were three batches with successively lower standards -- classification standards, that is. The first lot in 1972 were censored ... to get them down to A rated. And moving on ...

The second lot in 1976 were censored to get them down to A and G. The third and final lot were censored to G in 1980, which is what the 1981 run would have comprised of. On to censorship, what this meant at the time was G could be played at any time, A could be played after 7.30pm and AO after 8.30pm. The means of banning something was to refuse classification, often when something was rated A or AO it gets referred to as banned even if it wasn't. It's not a matter of things being banned as such, more that ABC wanted to buy content it could play at any time and thus put a premium on G material.

Bill's posters, recreational drugs, bare breasts, all likely censored at A in 1972, all uncensored at G in 1980. What was still censored were full rear nudity and odd lines of dialogue.

On to what you actually saw. There were 66 regular BBC episodes, excluding the two longer specials and the moderate length special A Collection of Goodies: Special Tax Edition.

In 1978 there were no episodes.

In 1979 there were 58 episodes or 14 weeks and two days, Monday to Thursday from 19 February to 29 May at 6.00pm and followed at 6.30pm by Dr Who. It was replaced by The David Nixon Show.

In 1980 there were 92 episodes or 23 weeks, Monday to Thursday from 18 February to 31 July at 6.00 pm and followed at 6.30pm by Dr Who. It was replaced by The Ghost and Mrs Muir.

In 1981 there were 64 episodes, in runs of 9 weeks and 7 weeks, both Monday to Thursday, from 2 March to 30 April and then from 7 September to 22 October. The first lot followed Kenny Everett at 6.25pm, the second followed Wayne and Shuster also at 6.25pm and were replaced by Monkey, Fred Bassett and Wayne and Shuster, respectively.

That all sounds quite promising, hundreds of episodes, but there's a catch. The new material was favoured over the old, the two shorter runs in 1981 saw the six episodes of series eight repeated in quick succession. That cuts down the available slots. The 1980 run, on the other hand, may be a record. I recall seeing Commonwealth Games in B&W during this era, which I peg at 1980 or 1979.

My sources are The Sydney Morning Herald, The Age, The Canberra Times, The Australian Woman's Weekly, The Victor Harbour Times, plus odd notes I took from wider sources when I did a lot of Dr Who listings research, and as always, the divine Matthew K Sharp. In reviewing for this research I've found I did correspond with him, shame I didn't tap his brains more.


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 Subject:  Re: The Original Kitten Kong episode.
13/08/2018 21:57 GMT

Now I've seen the time slot listed as 6:25pm, I have remembered that there was an article either in the newspaper or in TV week sometime during the series' final run that explained how the show started 5 minutes before the 6:30pm time slot that allowed the ABC to broadcast it without having to cut anything out. When you think about it, the first 5 minutes of each episode consisted of the opening theme music and the introduction scenes that would set up the premise for the story we were about to see. Nothing that needed editing out. The rest of the show appeared after 6:30pm and didn't need to be edited to be safe for children's eyes. I also remember seeing the episodes for both Kitten Kongs listed by name either in the TV week, or the Sydney newspaper weekly TV guide liftout that my step-father would salvage from the Friday newspaper, or whichever day it was that they printed the thing. The first time I was excited to see that Kitten Kong was going to be screened for that week and was disappointing when it was broadcast in black and white. The 2nd time, a few weeks later, I wondered if it was a misprint and then was surprised to see the colour edition with the new scenes.


(I recorded the original Kitten Kong onto Beta video tape from a rare TV broadcast of it in 1979, but then I wiped it. NOBODY TOLD ME!!!!!)
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 Subject:  Re: The Original Kitten Kong episode.
13/08/2018 18:23 GMT

It most definitely did happen. The final ABC broadcasts were uncut and of the entire series, with black and white episodes replacing the lost ones. Doing a quick search online I can verify that the show was indeed broadcast in a later timeslot for this final run in 1981. Here are two TV guide listings from the time confirming that the Goodies was bumped up to a 6:25pm timeslot.

https://televisionau.com/classic-tv-guides/tv070981

https://televisionau.com/classic-tv-guides/tv030381

I didn't imagine it and I most certainly didn't imagine the discussions about the drug references and the bare breasts in the first episode at school the next day, or the discussions about the transparent top in the String episode and the bare breasts on Bill's wall poster in the episode where Tim also had a poster of the Queen on a horse. This did happen and if you don't have any information about this then your information is incomplete.

Airing 4 episodes per week it would have run for about 16 to 17 weeks. Afterwards channel 7 took the reigns with the ITV episodes sometime later and that was the last I ever saw of the Goodies on TV.


(I recorded the original Kitten Kong onto Beta video tape from a rare TV broadcast of it in 1979, but then I wiped it. NOBODY TOLD ME!!!!!)
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 Subject:  Re: The Original Kitten Kong episode.
13/08/2018 16:32 GMT
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Your sure it was in the 6-7 time slot? That reduces the possibilities a lot.

It was only played in that hour in 1977, and from 1979. I'm distracted by your saying it was the entire series and unedited, neither of which ever happened.

For instance, the seven episodes from series one were on high rotation, with the exception of the only once ever seen Army Games/The Greenies and Caught in the Act/The Playgirl Club. And that one had cuts which were recovered by John Williams in 2009, so was never played unedited on ABC. With the exception of Snooze, the others were cut even when rated A.

From series two, The Baddies was only played once. Eight of thirteen episodes were uncut, Kitten Kong's status is unknown, and even Montreux '72 was cut.

From series three, six episodes went into high rotation, Superstar has been repeated sporadically. All were cut.

Series four is the one which moved to 8.00pm on the BBC, previous series were ~10.00pm. The six episodes were in high rotation on ABC, they and The Goodies and the Beanstalk were uncut.

Series five went into high rotation, five of thirteen uncut (Kung-Fu Capers was uncut), Rome Actics was initially cut but a new copy was uncut. Goodies Rule -- OK? was uncut but rarely played.

Series six had seven episodes, six went into high rotation and Hype Pressure went unplayed until 2010 (!). String was cut.

Series seven had six episodes, all in high rotation, only Royal Command uncut.

Series eight had six episodes, all uncut and all in high rotation repeats.

Going back to the run between 6 and 7, this narrows it down: 1979. There were no late night episodes and they were all rated G. ABC lost the cricket and was sending A rated material back to the censors (Dep't of Customs) where it was now getting rated at G. This is also the run which saw the B&W Commonwealth Games. Thus it's the only one in the time frame with known B&W material, which wouldn't have been played after the new 1980 batch. On the downside it excluded series eight as it hadn't been made.

OK, starts on Monday 19 February 1979, the listing for Tuesday 20 February 1979 in The Canberra Times sounds familiar (attached). Unfortunately, the same day's listing in The Age has "The Goodies conduct a Grand National", revealing it as Black and White Beauty.

It may be possible to list them out and determine it.


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 Subject:  Re: The Original Kitten Kong episode.
13/08/2018 14:30 GMT

The entire series most definitely was screened unedited after 6pm but before 7pm weekdays finishing with all of season 8 before channel 7 took over. As mentioned, this was the only time that the ABC broadcast the series unedited.


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