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Bertha Torr

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 Subject:  Re: The Cricklewood Tapes
19/04/2019 21:38 GMT

Here's what it says on the Network site where you can now buy the CDs separately https://networkonair.com/all-products/2938-goodies-the-the-cricklewood-tapes : 'due to the production policies of the time, the source recordings were disposed of once the show itself was completed. Most of these reel-to-reel audio tapes were recycled for other productions, but five original session tapes have survived and are presented here as a unique artefact of the recording process used on this world-famous comedy series.'

Blogger Tim Worthington would like to find the missing tapes, too! He writes very appreciatively about the Goodies music here: https://timworthington.org/2018/09/26/its-not-hard-to-find-youve-got-it-in-your-mind/?fbclid=IwAR3jZrHU3iOsPSCruo6yiUiAvu3oxGfA18wo9ccyKuipf-v0nc_g5qRKbfE .

As you say, I can’t understand why there would have been pressure to wipe audio tape. Surely it wasn’t so expensive as to prevent a copy being kept? Were the master music tapes the property of the BBC or of the musical director/their studio?* These are some great musicians and surely one of them would have wanted to keep a copy – I think this must be how the surviving tapes were preserved. Didn’t they know how much their music would be messed about with? Maybe they didn’t care that much as it was all just a quick jam session to them.

I don’t know much about how the sound effects were overlaid onto the songs but I would guess you’d start with the raw silent undercranked filmed insert. Next, you dub the song on top (only using certain sections** to fit the length and action). This would be the point when you could say the audio tape was ‘reusable’ [Noooo!]. (Actually, you'd have to wait until the filmed section was finished in case of mistakes in FX overdubbing.) Then the Goodies would go to a studio and overdub the sound effects, silly voices etc onto the now musical slapstick short film. Finally, when it was played back to the audience, the laughter would be captured and added to the finished programme.
**I say ‘certain sections’ because in some of the songs that are now only audible as soundtrack excerpts (helpfully stored as downloads on this site, thanks!) there are obvious edits.

Finally, it's worth listening to the Goodies Podcasts 008 and 009 with Dave Macrae and Mike Gibbs to hear more about the music production process. http://goodiespodcast.libsyn.com/size/15/?search=macrae I did hear these a while ago and probably you have, too. [*I must listen again, as I’ve forgotten where the music was recorded – BBC or elsewhere.] Although sadly there are no big revelations of found tapes, it's all very interesting, and some of the recollections are sufficiently hazy as to encourage one to think that it's quite possible that someone has a duplicate tape or two tucked away somewhere!

Graeme, invent us a time machine, please!


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MartinAgain

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 Subject:  Re: The Cricklewood Tapes
17/10/2018 00:52 GMT

Ta, depressing. I'd hoped Bill kept his own copies. Do we know where the sessions were?

I interviewed Tristram Cary, who would bring in his own tapes of his electronica from his home studio only for the BBC to try and put library numbers on them. As if he was going to hand his masters over!

To be fair, there would have been less pressure to wipe and reuse audio tape, it was cheaper and the BBC Music Library was established in 1923. By contrast the Film and Videotape Library wasn't created until 1978. And while I can't account for the other three wiped episodes, the prima facie case for Kitten Kong's destruction is it was uniquely disposable. After a sales copy was struck, the master was used to record Montreux '72. The film print may have been cycled out of Australia rather than destroyed.


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Kanoobi

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 Subject:  Re: The Cricklewood Tapes
16/10/2018 20:38 GMT

As far as I know a lot of the session music went the same way as Kitten Kong, i.e. flushed away by the BBC wiping machine. You get a booklet with the CD that explains what scene each particular bit of music was used for. There's some fake TV adverts too, such as the 'Dreaded Wheat' one.
Here's a link that shows you what's on the disks.

https://www.discogs.com/The-Goodies-The-Goodies/release/12568530


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 Subject:  Re: The Cricklewood Tapes
16/10/2018 14:41 GMT

What's the story with the incomplete music? Did Bill have the tapes or not? Is there much session information on the release?


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Kanoobi

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 Subject:  Re: The Cricklewood Tapes
15/10/2018 21:49 GMT

Thanks for the reply. Yea I saw that listing last night and am currently bidding on it. There's several days left yet so hopefully it won't go too crazy. I saw a 'Binge' collection go for £357 yesterday, absolutely nuts lol.
I didn't realise that CD was so limited, I thought maybe it had been released before and was just being bunged in the new Binge edition. In my opinion it should have been put in with the standard release too considering it costs 60 quid.


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 Subject:  Re: The Cricklewood Tapes
15/10/2018 08:19 GMT

I found on ebay the following - currently 20 pounds for just the CDs and the Binge Bag and in the UK. Auction ends 21 Oct 2018

Not sure if that is too much already?

https://www.ebay.com.au/itm/The-Goodies-a-Binge-Of-Tote-Bag-3-CD-Boxset-Mint/142974785127


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 Subject:  The Cricklewood Tapes
14/10/2018 10:04 GMT

Hi guys. Long time fan here from the UK, and I recently bought and watched the new complete BBC box set. Regarding the Cricklewood Tapes CD that came with the 'Binge' edition of the new set, is it available in any other form at all? I would love it and have tried bidding on Ebay for a Binge edition but they are inflating up to stupid money at the moment. Some of the music in the actual shows was brilliant. I've seen and listened to a few files on this site recently such as 'Run'.

It's been great watching the DVD's though, I've never bought anything else Goodie DVD wise as I wanted it all or nothing lol, and I hadn't seen most of the episodes since first aired.

Very nice that the 'Goodies Greatest' CD is coming soon too. It would be very cool if all Goodies albums were released on CD and digital. My 'New Goodies LP' is quite crackly now.


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